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The Salaf Who Figured Out And Exposed The Greatest Goal of the Jahmites Series
When the Jahmiyyah and Mu'tazilah began to deny Allaah's Attributes they could not openly say, "Allaah is not above the Throne" because their falsehood would have become known to all people with sound fitrah and they would have been such rejection that they would not have survived it. So they only hinted and alluded to it at the beginning but the Salaf were wise to these Jahmites and Mu'tazilites - as early as the time of Ayyub as-Sakhtiyaani (d. 131H).

And the reason why the Jahmites and Mu'tazilah (and after them the later Ash'ariyyah) had to deny Allaah is above the Throne was because they had used an intellectual proof called "Hudooth ul-Ajsaam" against the Atheists in order to prove the universe is created - and the underlying concepts for this proof were based upon the metaphysics of the Greek Philosophers and particularly Aristotle. Their proof lay in claiming that the presence of qualities (sifaat) incidental attributes (a'raad) and events (hawaadith) in what we see around us of the bodies that make up the universe is a proof that they came about, occurred after having not occurred and therefore are created , and following on from this that the universe must have a creator. However, when the Atheists said to them, "Describe your Lord to us", they could not describe Him with what is found in the Book and the Sunnah, because it would amount to Allaah being described with incidental attributes (a'raad). And because they considered their proof to be decisive (over what is found in the Book and the Sunnah), they rejected what is in the Book and the Sunnah to varying degrees - the Jahmites negating it all and being the Imaams of Ta'teel. And the others, the Mu'tazilah, Kullaabiyyah, Ash'ariyyah and Maturidiyyah simply inherited something of their ta'teel. And the arguments of these factions and refutations are only in relation to what can and cannot be denied for Allaah, or affirmed for Allaah, in light of this false and corrupt proof that they are all united upon.

So the early Jahmites and the Mu'tazilah, they wanted to deny Allaah is above the Throne, as that is the greatest obstacle and invalidation of their proof, but they had to only hint towards it at the beginning. And thus we find the statements of the Salaf found below.


Aasim bin Alee, Shaykh of al-Bukhaaree, (d. 221H): I Debated a Jahmee And It Became Clear That He Does Not Believe Their is A Lord Above the Heaven
Aasim bin Alee, the Shaykh of al-Bukhaaree, (d. 221H) We have reported from Aasim bin Alee bin Aasim al-Waasitee, he said: I debated a Jahmee ...
Saturday, October 03 2009 - by AboveTheThrone.Com

Jareer ad-Dabbee (d. 188H): The Saying of the Jahmites Begins as Honey and Ends as Poison - They Are Attempting To Say 'There is No Deity Above the Heaven'
Jareer ad-Dabbee, the Muhaddith of ar-Rayy (d. 188H) Yahyaa bin al-Mugheerah said: I heard Jareer bin Abdul-Hameed saying: The speech of the ...
Saturday, October 03 2009 - by AboveTheThrone.Com

Sa'eed bin Aamir ad-Dab'ee (d. 206H): The Jews and Christians Are United With the Muslims that Allaah is Above the Throne But the Jahmites Say He Is Not Above Anything
Sa'eed bin Aamir ad-Dab'ee, the Scholar of al-Basrah (d. 208H) Abdur-Rahmaan bin Abee Haatim said: My father narrated to me, saying: It was narrated ...
Saturday, October 03 2009 - by AboveTheThrone.Com

Yazeed bin Haaroon (d. 206H): Whoever Interpreted Istiwaa Upon Other Than What Is Established in the Hearts of the Common Folk is a Jahmee
Yazeed bin Haaroon, Shaykh ul-Islaam (d. 206H) Shaadh bin Yahyaa said: I heard Yazeed bin Haroon, and it was said to him, "Who are the Jahmiyyah". ...
Friday, October 02 2009 - by AboveTheThrone.Com

Abbaad bin al-Awaam (d. 185H): The Final Speech of Bishr al-Mareesee and Company Ends With Them Saying 'There is Nothing Above the Heaven'
Abbaad bin al-Awwaam said: I spoke to Bishr al-Mareesee and his associates, and I saw that the final (part) of their speech ends up with them saying ...
Friday, October 02 2009 - by AboveTheThrone.Com

Wahb bin Jareer (d. 206H): The Jahmiyyah Are Trying to Say There Is Nothing Above the Heaven
Muhammad bin Hammaad said: I heard Wahb bin Jareer saying: "Beware of the opinion of Jahm, for they are trying (to say) that there is nothing ...
Friday, October 02 2009 - by AboveTheThrone.Com

Ayyub as-Sakhtiyaanee (d. 131H): The Central Axis of the Mu'tazilah Is That They Want to Say 'There is Nothing Above the Heaven'
And Abul-Qasim Sulayman bin Ahmad at-Tabarani brings in "Kitaab us-Sunnah", as does adh-Dhahabi in "Mukhtasar al-Uluww" (p.132-133) from al-Abbaas bin ...
Friday, October 02 2009 - by AboveTheThrone.Com

Abdur-Rahmaan bin Mahdee (d. 198H): The Jahmiyyah Desire To Negate That Allaah is Above The Throne
More than one (person) has narrated, with a saheeh isnaad from Abdur-Rahmaan - about whom Alee bin al-Madeenee says, "Haafidh of the Ummah, if I was ...
Friday, October 02 2009 - by AboveTheThrone.Com

Hammaad bin Zayd (d. 179H): The Jahmites Are Circulating Around the Issue of Wanting to Say There is Nothing Above the Heaven
Sulayman bin Harb said: I heard Hammad bin Zayd saying: "They are circulating around of wanting to say that there is no deity above the heaven". ...
Friday, October 02 2009 - by AboveTheThrone.Com

Abu Ma'mar al-Qatee'ee al-Haafidh (d. 236H): The End-Result of the Saying of the Jahmiyyah Is That There is No Deity Above the Heaven
Abu Ma'mar al-Qatee'ee al-Haafidh (d. 236H) Ibn Abee Haatim quotes in his work from Yahyaa bin Zakariyyaa bin 'Eeesaa from Abu Shu'ayb Saalih al-Harawee ...
Thursday, October 01 2009 - by AboveTheThrone.Com




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